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How to close a requested move discussion?

Second Trump tariffs has had a discussion going for nearly two weeks. Everyone agrees with a name change but but consensus is a little unclear, partly because new alts were offered throughout the discussion.

How do we decide when to end it? Also, WP:RMCI says we need an uninvolved editor to close it but not where to ask for one. Where do I find one? satkara❈talk 23:54, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

 Done. For reference, the most common venue is WP:ANRFC, but anywhere is fine. Though, since all requested moves are listed at Wikipedia:Requested moves § Current discussions there is probably someone that would come around and do it eventually without needing to look for one. Alpha3031 (t • c) 14:10, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

AI stuff

Hello satkara, good to see you here! To close a Requested Move (RM) discussion, follow these steps: 1. Is It Ready to Close? RM discussions usually last seven days, but can go longer if needed. If most people agree on a name, it’s ready to close. If there’s no clear agreement, more discussion may help. 2. Who Can Close It? You can’t close it yourself if you're involved in the discussion. You need an uninvolved editor to close it. 3. Where to Find Someone to Close It? Ask for a closer at: Wikipedia talk:Requested moves – The best place to request help. Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard – If the move is controversial. WikiProject talk pages – If the topic has a related WikiProject. WP:ANRFC (Requests for Closure) – If the discussion has gone on too long and needs a decision. 4. What Happens Next? If the move is approved, the page will be renamed. If it’s unclear, the closer will explain why and may suggest further discussion. If you think i failed somewhere feel encouraged to ask question i would be happy to answer. Sys64wiki (talk) 06:16, 21 March 2025 (UTC) Actually I looked out at the same discussion page and found out that the actual consensus about the article have not taken place since alts are still being discussed. I advise you to wait a little and perform the closure of discussion page when majority reaches consensus? Sys64wiki (talk) 12:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Can't get template data editor to appear on userspace /doc page

I've been experimenting with adding TemplateData to several userspace templates such as this minimal one, hoping initially to use the TemplateData editor for this rather than do it the error-prone way, and I'm coming up against the same issue each time:

1. The template has a /doc page, on which I place a templatedata block.
2. I open the template page for editing: an Edit TemplateData button appears, as it should, together with a warning that the TemplateData already exists and is on the /doc page.
3. I open the /doc page for editing, where the TemplateData actually is, and no such button appears.

This happens regardless of whether there's also a {{TemplateData header}} on the page.
Has anyone any idea what might be causing this? Musiconeologist (talk) 01:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@Musiconeologist, I just created Template:User:Musiconeologist/tdata/doc with exact contents of your userpage example. Does it behave correctly when try to edit? If so there must be a namespace restriction that I couldn't find documented anywhere. Commander Keane (talk) 11:43, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

The editor comes up straight away for that one when I open it. I wonder if calling mine something like User:Musiconeologist/Template:whatever/doc might work, so the path ends like a template space one? I suppose the workaround is to create the template data in the template itself then copy it over, but it's a bit of a messy one.
Edit: I've just tried, by clicking the link. Same behaviour: for User:Musiconeologist/Template:whatever, the editor appears for the template page but not for the /doc page. Musiconeologist (talk) 14:29, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@Musiconeologist I don't think mediawiki page titles are particularly magical like that. You say the editor appears for the template page... but are you saying a link appears? Maybe {{Documentation}} is just adding a link, but nothing more substantial. This is getting beyond my skills set. I think we established some sort of namespace issue. If, like me, you can't find any documentation about it you could ask on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) for an explanation. You may be able to test in the real Template namespace, but even the one I created above has been accidentally deleted once. Speaking of that template, I will delete it in a couple of days unless you advise me otherwise. Commander Keane (talk) 15:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm happy for it to be deleted—we've established the behaviour, I think.

What happens with the userspace one is: on the template page, there's an Edit template data button together with a warning something like "Warning: there is already a TemplateData block on the documentation page"—but I can still open the editor. On the documentation page, the button never appears, but, and I only realised this after posting before, the page title greys out for about half a second, shortly after opening the page for viewing, in exactly the way it does on other pages with TemplateData just before the edit button appears. So I think maybe it's recognising the section but some bug is aborting the loading process.

Anyway thanks for taking the trouble to create and defend the template. I do at least now know that it would work properly in template space. Musiconeologist (talk) 01:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Random error message

For the past 12 hours or so I've been getting the error message "Fatal exception of type "Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBUnexpectedError"", on about half the Wikipedia pages I try to open. Reloading does not fix it but if I close the tab and attempt to access the same page again it works. Does anyone know what's causing this? Electricmemory (talk) 04:03, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@Electricmemory, there is ongoing discussion about it at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Error_message and phab:T389734. May be related to history and contribs pages. Commander Keane (talk) 10:33, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

While the Administrators are the people with the bigger mops, I think of those who watch WP:VPT as the ones with the screwdrivers and toolbelts.(and yes, I'm sure there is overlap. :) )Naraht (talk) 13:04, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Love the analogy! DMacks (talk) 13:10, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Electricmemory (talk) 23:13, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Creating a Sandbox page was recently backlisted for me? Why?

Hello I recently created 4 sandbox pages in order to split up a now archived Wikipedia page as agreed upon by several wiki editors on an original article. The process was easy and we finished the article splitting in a very short amount of time. But now I am trying to create a new sandbox for myself to create a new article and it says that the title is blacklisted. Namely Historyguy1138//sandbox8.

I did some experiments to see if other users could create sandboxs with this method and they can.

How can we fix this?

Did some bot or perhaps a (shall we say obtuse) admin assumed I was spamming after I used the sandbox to create 4 approved articles?

Thanks for your help. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:13, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

There are no blocks on your account directly, at least. What is the message that you see when you attempt to create a sandbox? 331dot (talk) 15:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Among other thing it says:

Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.

Please

search for Historyguy1138//sandbox8 in Wikipedia

to check for alternative titles or spellings.

• This page is on the title blacklist, so only administrators, template editors, and page movers can create it.

Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:19, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Is there any reason for the double slash // in the name? Musiconeologist (talk) 15:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

No that was a typo that I just put recently I was trying to create an article with only / slash. Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:25, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Historyguy1138/sandbox8 just recently fixed the problem for me. Thank you. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:27, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Probably you attempted to create the sandbox in mainspace - I blacklisted mainspace sandboxes a while ago. User:Historyguy1138//sandbox8 is correct and should be creatable; Historyguy1138//sandbox8 isn't and shouldn't be. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:20, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Ah I see my mistake. Thank you. (: Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:22, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/delist/File:JFK limousine.png

I created this a little while ago, and I can't find it transcluded among FPC, and it's gotten no replies. Did I screw up its creation somehow? JayCubby 19:01, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm not super familiar with FP, but in other Featured procedures, you are supposed to transclude it on the page when you make the page. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:07, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

@JayCubby, you missed step 3 at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Nomination procedure.

Also, your nomination page has some broken syntax and the closing date is now too close. Definitely ask at Wikipedia talk:Featured picture candidates and I think someone there will help you fix it. Commander Keane (talk) 07:24, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Alright, thanks a bunch. Asking now. JayCubby 16:19, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

where to launch policy discussion?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I would like to inaugurate a discussion challenging certain parameters of current template practices regarding restricting Wikipedia articles, including in some instances even their TALK pages, to a small group of editors who qualify as E-C. Where would be the best place to initiate this discussion? Kenfree (talk) 05:36, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Kenfree. Perhaps Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). I would recommend including links like "protection policy" and disclosing any other recent discussions you have had on this issue. It also wasn't clear if by "template practices" you were referring to templates. Commander Keane (talk) 06:57, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Either that or Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab). Read he instructions and see which fits you best. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:05, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you both for these useful recommendations. 👏 Kenfree (talk) 09:17, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Automatic reverting

I am teaching a course where one of the students got her edits reverted. The revision history claims that she did it herself, but she says that was not the case, it happened automatically. This is the user contribution page User contributions for Daliepremidze - Wikipedia. Now it seems to be working though. Was something wrong? Olle Terenius (UU) (talk) 09:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Olle Terenius (UU): It is easy to click the wrong button, particularly when new. Nearly everyone here has reverted themselves or someone else accidentally. It is extremely unlikely that anything went wrong other than that Daliepremidze accidentally clicked something. There is no automatic reverting. Johnuniq (talk) 09:22, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Olle Terenius (UU) and Daliepremidze: It looks like she misunderstood something in the interface. Maybe she looked at a diff like [1] and clicked edit on the left side instead of the right side. If you click on the left side then you start a new edit with the content of the former revision. If you save without changing anything (except the edit summary) then it becomes a revert to that revision. If she wants to change the new revision when looking at a diff then she has to click edit on the right side or click the edit tab at top of the page. It's not possible to change an old edit summary if that's what she was trying. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:55, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Volunteering

Hello. I came to see about WP:Reliable Sources Noticeboard. What should I do to become a volunteer in that community? Shall I wait for a period of time to be eligible for that? Ramencolls (talk) 09:20, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Ramencolls: This page is more for "how do I do [some technical thing]" questions. You might consider posting a more generic question where you are essentially asking for opinions at WP:Teahouse. At any rate, noticeboards like the one you mention usually need a fair bit of experience to master. However, by all means start giving your view and see how it goes. If people start contradicting you, it might be best to not reply much and try to understand what they are saying. This is the internet, so people commenting might be totally wrong, but it's best to ask questions and not offer opinions too forcefully until more experienced. For the RS noticeboard, a question should be of the form "is [this source] reliable for [this claim] at [link to article]". Johnuniq (talk) 09:29, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Got it. I think I am not fit to volunteer the Noticeboards right now. I should learn more about Wikipedia. Thanks Ramencolls (talk) 09:33, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Ramencolls If you haven't seen it, WP:TASKS may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:44, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång it helps. Thanks. JunkBorax (talk) 17:14, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Is there a way of getting overall page views per day of every article a user has contributed to?

Hi all

I've seen the pageview counter on the new HomePage feature but this only seems to be showing statistics for the past 60 days. Is there a way of seeing pageviews of all articles a user has contributed to since their account was created?

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 12:08, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@John Cummings Not that I know of. Fwiw, you can put up to 10 pages in this tool:[2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:45, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi Gråbergs Gråa Sång thanks very much, this wouldn't work for people like me who have been round a while. I'm wondering if maybe I can make a pagepile or something? I have no idea about queries so this might not work. John Cummings (talk) 17:01, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

WP:TECHPUMP? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:15, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Mysterious interlanguage link

Context: I was reading the article “Interpellation (philosophy)”. Its topic is due to French philosopher Louis Althusser, and the topic’s name is (or anyway its English-language name comes from) the French noun interpellation. Wishing to learn more about these roots, I went to the interlanguage links and selected Français, which led me to the article Contrôle_d'identité_en_France. That inappropriate linkage reflects another separate sense of French interpellation, one that’s related to the political sense of English interpellation, rather than the philosophical sense. So I figured it was time to edit the wikidata.

But when I tried to do so, I was amazed that in that wikidata I find no mention of “Contrôle d’identité en France” and no occurrence of the language code “fr.” By what seeming magic has that particular article been proffered (incorrectly, as it turns out) as “the French-language counterpart” of the philosophy article from which I started out?

I can see nothing inappropriate in the wikidata that one could edit or delete. And sadly, my rummaging around on French Wikipedia has failed to turn up any article there that I could affirmatively add to the wikidata’s list of wikipedia entries. So how can I at least prevent the inappropriate behavior if not replace it with a more appropriate one?

PaulTanenbaum (talk) 14:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@PaulTanenbaum: The last wikitext in Interpellation (philosophy) says:

[[fr:Contrôle d'identité en France]]
[[fr:Droit d'interpellation]]

This adds an interlanguage links regardless what Wikidata says (before Wikidata it was the only way to make interlanguage links). Only the first value is used. There is not supposed to be two. I don't know whether fr:Droit d'interpellation is better than fr:Contrôle d'identité en France. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:45, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Why so it does! D'oh, I should have looked within the page itself. Thanks, I'll now figure out the best edit to make and then proceed to make it. PaulTanenbaum (talk) 15:18, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @PaulTanenbaum: I don't think either fr:Contrôle d'identité en France or fr:Droit d'interpellation is relevant to interpellation as a philosophical idea, so I have removed them. They may have been added because they are both listed at fr:interpellation, which is a disambiguation page. TSventon (talk) 15:24, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

You are right, @TSventon, that neither was relevant; that was my whole point. So I have added an appropriate one (after first having edited French Wikipedia to create a good place for my appropriate one to point to. PaulTanenbaum (talk) 16:51, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

@PaulTanenbaum: I have created a new redirect in fr Wikipedia at fr:Interpellation (philosophie) which is linked to Interpellation (philosophy) via Wikidata and listed at fr:interpellation. I think that is more visible and less confusing than a manual interlanguage link. Please improve my French if necessary. TSventon (talk) 17:13, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Why aren't watchlist and recent changes grouped by default?

Example of the group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist preference setting.

Hi there,

I was wondering if there is a policy why edits to the same article that occur in short time span are not grouped together by default? I know I can turn on grouping by toggling it on in the Preferences/Recent changes menu, but I'm not clear why it's not like this by default...perhaps there are disadvantages I had not considered? - Danny Benjafield (WMDE) (talk) 14:31, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I remember being intimidated by it when I turned on that setting for the first time. While it's the most efficient setting, it might not be the simplest starting point for new editors. Perception312 (talk) 23:31, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Fair use? Screenshot of a foreign leader's video?

For historical purposes, a screenshot of this video[3] posted by El Salvador's President would really help give appropriate context to the March 2025 Venezuelan deportations article.

Can anyone confirm if this seems like fair use? And if so, can you help with the appropriate labelling of the image when I upload it? Thanks! Bob drobbs (talk) 18:49, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't know anything of the topic, so it's hard for me to say. However, you could add it as an External link and see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:43, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

The external link has already happened.

Also... as an alternative, AP has photos at this link[4] which they say are from the EL Salvador Presidential Press Office.

Are photos released by governmental press offices considered free use? Bob drobbs (talk) 21:10, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Commons:Copyright rules by territory/El Salvador says nothing about it, and it probably would. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:21, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Political campaign poster

2025 presidential election poster

Would it be appropriate to place an electoral poster of a candidate in the ongoing presidential election in his article page as an ilustration? (The poster was released under CC0 1.0 Universal free license.) Antoni12345 (talk) 21:42, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Electoral posters are not neutral by nature, please use normal picture of the candidate instead. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:10, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

I think it can fit the Electoral history section. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:26, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Not yet. It may be of historical interest in the future, but to keep Wikipedia neutral it is not currently appropriate. I imagine voters may read the article and influencing elections doesn't sound good. By all means make a note on the talk page about the poster's existence and it can be revisited after the election. Commander Keane (talk) 14:43, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Fair enough. Not completely unheard of, though:[5] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:10, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Well OK. What about the campaign logos in the 2025 Polish presidential election article then, as they are alo campaign material used to advertise for candidates? Antoni12345 (talk) 17:42, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Antoni12345: you can discuss it on the election article's talk page. To me it is less of a problem because all candidate's logos can be displayed. Although some aren't. Is that because their supporters don't edit English Wikipedia, they weren't smart enough to create a free-licence logo or they can't afford to make a logo? I don't think being poor makes you a bad president. This is bias and it should be avoided. Similarly it might be fine to add the poster to Zandberg's article if you find every other candidate's poster and add it to their respective articles. The candidate in Gråbergs Gråa Sång's example won that election ;-). All of this should apply to text also, but a picture is worth a thousand words. Commander Keane (talk) 12:21, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, non of these logos are actually free licensed to be precise and each one is an extracted and adapted image from the campaign materials or other visuals used by the candidate, which is another problem as they could not in 100% correspond to the actual visuals used by the candidates (the only candidate which actually acknowledges using a campaign logo is Trzaskowski, making it a separate file for downloading). Non of the candidates also (except for Zandberg) release their campaign materials under a free license nor specify copyrights regarding their downloading as many of them actually have campaign posters avalible at their respective campaign websites.

And to be clear I do understand the ambiguity of NPOV regarding the inclusion of this poster as an ilustration, that's why I've decided to share my doubts, possibly to anticipate another editor wanting to include it.

Thanks for all of the remarks, I will discuss it with others at the relevant article discussions. Antoni12345 (talk) 14:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Articles tagged as having non-free content

Some articles are tagged as having non-free content with no indication given of what content is being challenged or where it originates. We're supposed to assume good intent, but who would toss up such a claim without offering proof? Unverified claims could just be an attempt to get a page deleted. What are we supposed to do with these? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 02:24, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Oona Wikiwalker: ask the editors who added the tags. According to {{Non-free}}, the specific criteria of concern have to be stated in the edit summary when using the template, so

• pinging @Cordless Larry: diff 1
• pinging @Kj cheetham: diff 2, diff 3

TSventon (talk) 03:04, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

They applied the tag five years ago. What if they don't respond? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 03:33, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Correction: four and a half years ago. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 03:35, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

They have both edited this week, so hopefully they will respond.

I notice that all the edits used Wikipedia:Twinkle so twinkle probably does not prompt editors to add any further details when tagging for non-free content. The template doesn't have a talk page, so it might be worth raising the problem at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content. TSventon (talk) 03:43, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

This seems to be one one those templates where the |reason= param doesn't work/show even if you're willing to use it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:38, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: the template {{Non-free}} refers to a set of criteria that apply to media not text, but it was edited in 2019 to mention content, not media. Perhaps it should be reworded again for use with non-free media rather than text. TSventon (talk) 12:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

From the template code, it looks as though all it does is fill in some fixed parameter values in {{Ambox}}, meaning the reason parameter just sits around unused. I see it's not a protected template though, so someone familiar with {{ambox}} should be able to amend it
Edit: not quite right—it accepts four parameters (passed to Ambox as |small, |sect, |talk and |date) but doesn't mention any of them in the documentation. Musiconeologist (talk) 18:15, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't use Twinkle at all, but I noticed that other editors who applied the non-free tag included their source in their edit summary or on the article's talk page. Maybe suggestions to do that should be placed somewhere where even the clumsiest of us trips over them. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 23:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

The revision of the article that I added the template to is here, and the copyvio report for that revision can be viewed here. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:37, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: thank you for answering. Presumably the template could be removed now as the copied content has been reworded. Do you agree that the template is confusing? TSventon (talk) 11:50, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, although it likely also requires revision deletion. I think when using this template nowadays, I try to indicate the copied-from URL in the reason field, although I see that Gråbergs Gråa Sång suggests that's not working. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:45, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry afaict, you can put text in it, but it won't show in the article like at Gata (food). It becomes more like an invisible note. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:50, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Cordless Larry "Non-free" seems to be designed for non-free media, while {{Copypaste}} seems to be designed for copied text and has a url parameter. Is "Copypaste" is available through twinkle? TSventon (talk) 18:01, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Ah yes, now that you mention it, I think that's the template I now use in these situations. There's a "Source URL" field in Twinkle when that template is selected. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:06, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Brumby

I was reading an article about the history of brumbies. My husband's surname is Brumby and my married name we have done a lot of research on the name. He is descended from Danish Vikings named Brunebi, who migrated to UK and worked at Scunthorpe in Lincolnshire - the name became Anglicised to Brumby. The town became known as OLD BRUMBY TOWN. We have been there and so many places in the town are named after him - Brumby School of Arts, Brumby Boulevard etc. A relative - Captain James Brumby migrated to NSW and joined the NSW Corps. He had horses on his property and when he decided he had enough of Australia tried to sell all his livestock but there were a few left which he let run free when he returned to UK. When people saw the horses they would say "oh there's one of Brumby's", "or there's a Brumby" and wild horses gradually became "Brumbies". 60.226.154.120 (talk) 05:57, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello 60.226, and welcome to Wikipedia. It's not quite clear what you want, but I'll take a guess. Wikipedia has, for example, an article called Brumby (surname). Perhaps you think that article should be a little more like Smith (surname). If so, you can start editing, be WP:BOLD as we say around here, but Wikipedia has some rules etc and you should try to get the gist of them before starting. WP:TUTORIAL is a good place to start. Consider also WP:REGISTER. Brumby (disambiguation) might have something that interests you. Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:23, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I believe the second half of 60.226's post is referring to option #1 found towards the end of the Brumby#Origin_of_the_term section. They can find reliable sources and expand it, WP:TUTORIAL will have some guidance as already suggested. Alternatively they can make suggestions on the talk page of the article. Commander Keane (talk) 10:24, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Harriet Martineau

Oversight- in the "Help Box" on this page please place in the "relations" section Harriet's brother James Martineau. I cannot do this. Thanks 49.185.202.240 (talk) 06:49, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Click here. You'll see "Relatives", which now includes one close relative, one in-law, and one risibly distant descendant. I suggest replacing the third with her brother. Or simply add him, if you insist that a great great (etc) relative is significant. If there's a difficulty, please describe the difficulty. -- Hoary (talk) 08:13, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I've added her brother. (I didn't delete the current Princess of Wales, as doing so could require a talk-page discussion.) Deor (talk) 15:40, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

photos

How to add photos with a mobile phone? Arbabi second (talk) 08:42, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

اربابی دوم, do you mean (A) how to add photos that are already at Wikimedia Commons to articles, or (B) how to add photos you've taken to Wikimedia Commons, or (C) something else? -- Hoary (talk) 08:53, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary Sorry for the vagueness of my question. I mean uploading photos using my mobile phone. Arbabi second (talk) 09:00, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@اربابی دوم, perhaps Commons:Upload_tools#Smartphone_apps has something you can use. Commons:Help desk might be a good place to ask about this. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you.😊 Arbabi second (talk) 09:48, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Problem solved. Thank you very much. Arbabi second (talk) 10:19, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@اربابی دوم the regular Upload Wizard works fine on a phone: just visit c:Main page and click the blue "Upload" button. Then you can select photos from your phone's gallery. The android app is an alternative. Commander Keane (talk) 10:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Commander Keane Problem solved. Thank you very much.😊 Arbabi second (talk) 10:21, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Benicio del Toro

Three months ago I asked a question regarding Benicio del Toro's birthplace at Talk:Benicio del Toro#Birthplace, but I haven't received a reply. Can someone help me on this? Thanks in advance. 137.204.150.21 (talk) 10:07, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

You say you have six sources for the different birthplace. I haven't investigated any of your sources, but recognize a couple of the domain names as those of reliable websites. The article currently cites a single source for the birthplace. This source is "FamilySearch", which has been judged generally unreliable. Wait no longer: correct the birthplace. (Don't supply six references; instead, supply references to the three sources that seem the most authoritative.) -- Hoary (talk) 11:19, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Reference error (SS Dixie Arrow)

Hey all,
On the page for SS Dixie Arrow, I keep running into a citation error. It says, "Cite error: The named reference ":22" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page)." The help page it links me to is technical and beyond my understanding of how Wikipedia works. What I think is happening is that it thinks that I've used the same link for multiple sources (pages from Lloyd's of London's register), but I haven't. Is there any chance I could get some help with resolving this issue?
Thanks! –PhoenixCaelestis • Talk • Contributions 11:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@PhoenixCaelestis: I don't know how named references work in VisualEditor but the source editor (see Help:VisualEditor#Opening VisualEditor for how to switch) shows two <ref name=":22">...</ref> with different content. You have to change one of them. If they are supposed to be different references then rename one of them from :22 to a unique name. You can also just remove name=":22" if the reference is only used once. If they are supposed to be the same reference then change the wrong definition to only say <ref name=":22" /> without ...</ref>. This will reuse the definition from the other place. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:01, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Removing the other instances of the reference seemed to work. Thanks for your help! –PhoenixCaelestis • Talk • Contributions 12:14, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

THE KINGS BODYGUARD OF THE YEOMAN OF THE GUARD

The hat worn by the Bodyguard has three ribbons, RED, WHITE & BLUE, what do the colours mean or represent Upton PC (talk) 12:20, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

This page is for editors to request help editing Wikipedia articles and pages. You may want to ask this question at the reference desk, where volunteers can help you find information in Wikipedia. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:24, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Upton PC You might find some clues at Union Jack and Yeomen Warders]. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Request for Template Removal – Wikipedia Page of Erickavu N. Sunil

 Courtesy link: Erickavu N. Sunil

Dear Wikipedia Admins,

I hope you are doing well.

I had created the Wikipedia page for my teacher long ago, ensuring that multiple credible references were cited. However, upon reviewing the page recently, I noticed the following template added at the top:

"A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (November 2022)"

I would like to clarify that Erickavu N. Sunil is a highly respected and accomplished Mridangam artist, author, and educator of international repute. There are numerous verifiable references available online that substantiate his contributions and credentials.

I kindly request you to review the page and verify the citations. If the content aligns with Wikipedia's neutrality and verifiability guidelines, I would appreciate the removal of the above template. Please let me know if any specific improvements are required to ensure compliance.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Best regards,

S. B. Nair Sbnair2003 (talk) 12:38, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Just noting that any editor may help with this, not just admins. Please don't use an AI to write(100% certain according to zeroGPT). 331dot (talk) 12:45, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Please disclose your COI on your user page, I've provided you with instructions on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 12:47, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

331dot - I got your point.

Request you to validate the below links and take a decision of your own on the said template needs to be removed or not.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/kochi/2022/Apr/26/kerala-authors-efforts-to-popularisemridangam-among-global-audience-2446423.html

https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/music/a-new-book-on-the-anatomy-of-a-drum/article34659455.ece

https://gcwtvm.ac.in/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/REPORT-NATIONAL-SEMINAR-2023-2024.pdf

https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/art/indeevaram-is-a-performance-space-for-artistes/article28173140.ece

https://www.thehindu.com/life-and-style/musicians-and-dancers-in-technopark-who-turn-teachers/article29584271.ece

https://www.thehindu.com/entertainment/music/kerala-based-techsariga-club-lets-you-watch-the-music-clubs-concerts-through-its-web-app/article30575830.ece

Thank you. Sbnair2003 (talk) 12:55, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what this has to do with conflict of interest. It's not the notability that's being questioned. 331dot (talk) 13:00, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Sbnair2003 Conflict of interest isn't about who he is or why he's notable—it's a situation where the contributor has some connection with the person written about. I had created the Wikipedia page for my teacher suggests Erickavu N. Sunil was your teacher, and my experience of music tells me that instrumental teaching needs a lot of one-to-one interaction between the teacher and pupil. The teacher has to give the pupil feedback about what they're doing, and demonstrate things to them. So at first sight, that is a close enough connection to affect how easy it is to write impartially about the teacher.

Please do read the information that @331dot linked to on your talk page. Musiconeologist (talk) 16:21, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I have removed the {{CoI}} template, because there is nothing on the article's talk page about what in the article is supposed to be non-neutral. Note though that anyone may reinstate the template if they create such a discussion (with the emphasis being on the alleged non-neutrality, not there mere suggestion of a CoI). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

NPOV in category title for Airstrikes by perpetrator

I recently visited Category:Airstrikes by perpetrator, and it appears to me that the title of the category is not neutral. The term "perpetrator" is inherently a value-laden word; there are no neutral connotations associated with the word.

Airstrikes don't always target civilians. Often, airstrikes are military operations with military targets justified under international law. Thus, it seems unnecessarily biased to refer to the executors of all airstrikes as "perpetrators."

Sorry about the lack of Wikipedia acronyms and shorthand, by the way. I joined fairly recently and I'm still learning the terminology.

Althistwikibox (talk) 12:52, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@Althistwikibox: you could go to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion and suggest an alternative. One possibility is Category:Airstrikes by attacker, based on Category:Invasions by invading country, but not "by country" as NATO is not a country. TSventon (talk) 13:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Advice For A Novice Editor

What might be a good place for someone to begin with edits if they are a fairly slow learner and also limited to a mobile device? Thanks. 2020View (talk) 14:15, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@2020View You can try WP:TASK. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:05, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

@2020View: I was going to suggest you fix the typo for math based games. However ,due to poor comma typo on Graphing calculator in the Games and utilities section but I see that you have mastered typo correction. You can do almost everything on a phone, I do. You may have to click the "Desktop" button on the bottom of a page to get a different view of it. Like on the WP:TASK that will give you are a better overview and different interface. The typo still needs to be fixed by the way ;-). Commander Keane (talk) 00:25, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

New editor-help making a first page

I'd like to try to make a draft of a page for a relatively low-stakes thing just to get some practice in. It's the steamer the Northern Wave from the 1800's. I'm unsure on the notability but honestly I'd rather treat it as practice and be pleasantly surprised if it is notable so that it's less stressful. Is there a guide or something about writing a page from scratch? Sock-the-guy (talk) 17:41, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Help:Your first article is a good place to start. I like your view on this, create the page in Draft and with the pleasant surprise if it is notable. My other suggestion is if there is a page for a similar steamer, feel free to copy into your draft and change. Using other wikipedia articles as a place to start can take care of many issues.Naraht (talk) 18:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Sock-the-guy (talk) 18:44, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Use X english applies to which name for template?

I noticed on Melsonby Hoard that it has a Use British English template, which makes sense. I also noticed that it used template:Infobox Artefact which is redirect to template:Infobox Artifact. Given that Artefact is the British spelling, would it be required to use that spelling for the Infobox based on the Use British English for the article? Naraht (talk) 17:54, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

It probably doesn't matter much as the name of the template isn't visible. Hinton St Mary Mosaic has " "infobox artifact". TSventon (talk) 18:16, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Archive on Talk:March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip

I would like to know if I did this correctly. I've heard of WP:CUTPASTE moves. The reason I moved some things back over to Talk:March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip from Talk:March 2025 Israeli attacks on the Gaza Strip/Archive 1 is because these edit requests have not been answered. In the page history, when users attempted to answer these edit requests, @Ivebeenhacked reverted these kinds of edits.

Diffs:

• Special:Diff/1282486341 - me removing the messages (undoing bot edit)
• Special:Diff/1282486401 - me putting back the messsages (undoing bot edit)

Justjourney (talk) 18:36, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

I found this guideline: Wikipedia:Edit_requests#Archived_edit_requests. Still want a response here though. Justjourney (talk) 19:53, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

In this case I would suggest leaving archives alone, except for marking any open edit requests as answered.

This is a contentious editing area. The guideline you pointed to does mention consensus and on a high traffic talk page consensus not to do something can be indicated by no response.

If anyone feels passionately about an archived edit request, they can reformulate it as an improved version in their own words and post a new edit request linking to the archive. That's my view, anyway. Commander Keane (talk) 00:02, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I forgot to ping @Justjourney and add that a recent RfC agrees that substantial changes (eg answering edit requests) to archives should be reverted. Commander Keane (talk) 00:12, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Commander Keane So is what I was doing wrong, and should I stop doing it? Justjourney (talk) 01:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Justjourney: Yes you can stop. I wouldn't say "wrong" generally, it was well intentioned in a tricky talk page situation. You can see the listing at Category:Wikipedia extended-confirmed-protected edit requests which I presume is well patrolled so these edit requests are probably not forgotten or lost. Oh, and for your info WP:CUTPASTE is about making sure all the editors of a page get credit for their work in the history section, so it didn't apply in this case. Commander Keane (talk) 10:00, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree with your specific guidance on leaving WP:PIA related archives alone, however I don't read the RFC as saying that discussion topics should not be moved out of archive for further discussion, what do you think about that? TSventon (talk) 17:29, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Interlanguage link

Hi, I have an issue with an interlanguage link. I originally made it because the subject didn't have an article in English, and now there is an article with that name for a different person. How do I separate them again? What alternatives are there?

Billy Joyce Spagooder (talk) 19:33, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Spagooder, I checked {{interlanguage link}} and you could replace {{Interlanguage link|Billy Joyce|ja|ビリー・ジョイス}} with {{Interlanguage link|Billy Joyce (wrestler)|lt=Billy Joyce|ja|ビリー・ジョイス}}. TSventon (talk) 19:45, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

That makes sense, thanks. Spagooder (talk) 20:03, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Date template

Hi, On another wiki I need to build a template that returns the current date in DMY format. I looked at the templates here and they are quite complicated, and just copypasting them into the other wiki does not work - I think I would need to probably create some other templates as well that carry out the various functions involved. Would anyone be willing to help explain to me what the easiest way to build such a template from scratch would be? ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 22:39, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

If all that you need is the current date in DMY format, perhaps all you need is the #time parser function:

{{#time:j F Y}} → 28 March 2025

—Trappist the monk (talk) 23:33, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok, 'I put that into the template [[Template:Current date]], but when I call that template in another page it just produces {{#time:j F Y}}. I am doing something wrong clearly. ·maunus · snunɐɯ· 23:58, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

Ah, your link led me to the magic words, and that fixed it. Thanks!·maunus · snunɐɯ· 00:09, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Maunus: If code doesn't work then always link it when you ask for help so we can see what is wrong. I didn't find attempted code in your recent edits anywhere. Is it not a Wikimedia wiki? We need to know that. It may run another MediaWiki version and have other extensions and configuration settings and so on. In particular, it may not have installed mw:Extension:ParserFunctions which adds #time. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:24, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

No, it is not a wikimedia wiki, and I figured it might be something about the different versions or extensions not matching, but I found the magic words {{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}, {{CURRENTYEAR}}, which worked like a charm.·maunus · snunɐɯ· 02:05, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Page

How do you create a page for an author, who was also a successful racecar driver? VanNewman (talk) 03:26, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, VanNewman, the page Help:Your first article tells you everything you need to know. But as this was your very first edit you are not eligible to create the article directly. If you tell me the name of the person, I will create an empty Draft for you, and then you can work on it there. Mathglot (talk) 03:33, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! :) Country100% (talk) 09:23, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Helloo, @VanNewman. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

How can I make a Wikipedia page?

How can I make a Wikipedia page on Wikipedia Country100% (talk) 09:22, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Please see Help:Your first article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:29, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Country100% hello! Making an acceptable WP-article without knowing how to edit WP is hard. A common advice is to "just" edit for a while first, to try to get a hang of this place.

That said, your first hurdle is "Can a WP-article about your chosen subject be written at all?" Start with reading WP:BACKWARD. If you conclude "Yeah, I have those sources, no problem!", move on to WP:YFA. If your choice of topic fails WP:N, the article will not be accepted. If you decide to go ahead, you need to learn how to add references correctly, WP:TUTORIAL can help with that. This is crucial, and I can't stress that enough. Really. If you intend to write about a living person, read WP:BLP. If you intend to write about yourself (WP:COI), the short advice is "don't."

Hope this helps some. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:19, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

User:Country100%25, a comment prompted by your creations User:Country100%/sandbox and User:Owen.Wall600/sandbox: Wikipedia is not interested in its editors' fantasies. -- Hoary (talk) 11:48, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Infobox clan on the Clan Logan page

Hello, The pictures on this page Clan Logan - Wikipedia are out of date. I see that they are in the Infobox and I would like to change both of them. However, I have been struggling with the instructions on how to do so. Thanks! Sean Logan Logan9839 (talk) 18:24, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Which part(s) of which instruction(s) seem(s) to induce a struggle, Logan9839? -- Hoary (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thanks, specifically how do I add a new picture to it. I am guessing I need to get it into the database and then reference that, but I can't figure out how to add the new picture. Logan9839 (talk) 22:26, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

If the new picture is unrestricted by copyright, you should start by uploading it to Wikimedia Commons, which has an Upload Wizard.   Maproom (talk) 08:32, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, that worked! Logan9839 (talk) 17:04, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

How long should a discussion sit on a requested page move?

There has been a tag for a requested move page that has been open for one month. The article received some good feedback. The original requestor backed down and blanked their talk page on the matter about it after making some personal unsubstantiated attacks. Nothing has happened with the discussion lately. How long is long enough for the discussion to be closed? many thanksNayyn (talk) 23:17, 27 March 2025 (UTC)

@Nayyn: which article? Wikipedia:Requested moves might have some ideas on timing, but generally consensus just needs to be established for closure. Maybe it has been forgotten? Commander Keane (talk) 12:28, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Commander Keane I assume it's Nia (charity), which came up at the Help Desk recently. (I don't think I should comment on closure, since I contributed to the discussion as a result of seeing the Help Desk thread.) The last activity there was nine days ago, I think. Musiconeologist (talk) 15:40, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Help

References are not being shown inside the infobox of 2024 Bangladesh anti-Hindu violence. https://w.wiki/DbsK Can anyone help me?

SMYTI (tk|CNTBTN)

00:07, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Somajyoti: If casulties2 is set then several more specific parameters are ignored. You can move the references to casualties2 or not set it. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:26, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Church of Our Lady of Lourdes Klang

Please add the word convent in the category section of the bottom of this page. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 03:45, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

As a reader, it's unclear to me what "SK Convent 1/2 Klang and SMK Convent Klang" is supposed to mean. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:11, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Probably SMK stands for: sekolah menengah kebangsaan, national secondary school. Lectonar (talk) 12:51, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Does questioning a user's knowledge based on their contributions, constitute personal attack?

Hello everyone, I think WP:NOPA has a lot of ambiguities. It's quite clear, when it comes to religion, ethnicity etc. but not on other issues such as an editor's knowledge.

This issue usually happens when discussing the notability of a subject.

There are cases where a user which obviously hasn't done enough research on the subject, disregards nuanced or obvious facts, provides no reason for their opinion, comes and disputes notability.

Therefore I think telling them that they clearly lack familiarity with the subject, is an accurate description of a situation, and not a personal attack, for the following reasons:

1. It refers to knowledge about a specific subject not a person's entire body of knowledge
2. It is based on evidence that the user either lacks familiarity with the sources, or the subject.
3. It's a description of a situation, the person can gain or lose knowledge at anytime, one's knowledge is not definitive of one's personality.

So I'm not sure even if it is a clear case of personal attack, but even if it is, is it that severe of an attack? Let's say you say 2+2=6, and provide no reasons, am I not allowed to tell you that you don't know arithmetic? Xpander (talk) 07:15, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Also see WP:CIR, which plays into that field, at least partly. Lectonar (talk) 11:46, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

In priniple, it's irrelevant whether the editor is familar with the subject. What matters is whether they can provide adequate sources for their claim. Maproom (talk) 08:38, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Maproom Thanks for your response. That's fair enough. Hope I'm not digressing. But how can you provide "adequate sources" for disqualifying notability claims? You can keep wasting wiki's time just by deleting articles, and provide no reasons, just to annoy people. I don't think there are any safeguards or even repercussions against wrong deletions and undeletion is time-consuming. Xpander (talk) 09:53, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

As only administrators can delete articles, and they will only do so in accord with policy, what you are alleging is a misuse of admin privileges. Or are you conflating "nominating for deletion" with "deleting"? Cabayi (talk) 11:39, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Cabayi I thought patrols can perform speedy deletions as well, but in that case yes. Also inadequate nominations could be as time-consuming, but I haven't read anything about this counting as a misuse of admin privileges. Xpander (talk) 18:23, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, it doesn't have to be done in an attacking or even confrontational way. Eg "I think you might not know some information that's universally accepted in this field but not necessarily familiar to those outside", for example. That focuses on the situation but doesn't accuse anyone of anything. It doesn't say they should have known it, or that they're stupid or lazy for not knowing it, or make any assumptions about why they don't know it.

I think it's a very similar situation to looking for neutral language in an article—"You clearly haven't . . . " makes a judgement about the person, or will be perceived that way, when the issue is the factual matter of the gap between what they know and what they need to know.

Edit: For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not accusing you of implying those things, either! I'm trying to comment on the search for neutral language, but not necessarily achieving it myself. Musiconeologist (talk) 15:02, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Church of Our Lady of Lourdes Klang 2

Please add the word convent in the category strip at the bottom of the page. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 08:01, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

You have already been told not to create multiple threads asking the exact same question at the Wikipedia Help Desk. [6] Please stop. AndyTheGrump (talk) 08:11, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Added Category:Convents of the Catholic Church in Asia, "best" I could find. Here's how:[7] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

How you found the category in the first place might be useful information too, I think. Especially if it was something simple like typing [[Category:convents in and looking at the popup list or putting category:convents into the search box. Musiconeologist (talk) 16:04, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Srbernadette Are you familiar with the Preview button? I think previewing your edits before you click Publish would help you immensely. 331dot (talk) 09:03, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

@Srbernadette: Kindly acquaint yourself with how to add categories. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:37, 28 March 2025 (UTC)