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Triracial isolate

Shouldn't the term "triracial isolate" (or "tri-racial isolate") be mentioned in this article at least a single time? 98.123.38.211 (talk) 02:42, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please revise history.

I tried reading this article to learn Lumbee origins but the History section is almost unintelligible. It is as if someone cut and paste from the middle of a sophomore screed. 76.90.139.154 (talk) 14:52, 25 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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<Need assistance with false harmful information repeatedly added to Lumbee and Lumbee Tribe of North Carolina page through the day. This information attacks our cultural and Native Identity of the Lumbee Tribe of N.C. This ongoing attack of false information removes our correct updates. It is harming the legislative review process by congress of the S.521 Lumbee Fairness Act and H.R. 1101 Lumbee Fairness Act > LTTao (talk) 18:31, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your editing to the article is disruptive. You should stop; otherwise, you may find yourself blocked. If you want to propose changes - in a non-combative and civil manner - you may do so. Administrator intervention, though, is not needed for such a discussion.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:37, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It is not false, its true information backed up by sources. Quit whitewashing yourself. DACartman (talk) 19:04, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The information that is being posted is from opinion news articles not reliable sources. The Lumbee PR manager has spoken and sent scholarly articles from the US Congress and PBS that proves the Lumbee Tribe is not of tri racial decent. If you have questions you can speak with the Lumbee Legal Team at 910-522-2187 and they can assist with updating the factual information with accurate sources. 24.106.191.146 (talk) 21:36, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit requests should be added to this talk page, and not the user talk pages of individual Wikipedians because this is where any proposed changes need to be discussed, and this is where any record of such discussion needs to be found. If you've got any general questions about the above, you can ask them here, at WP:HELPDESK or WP:TEAHOUSE. If you feel the article content is so wrong that immediate action is needed, you can seek help at WP:COIN or WP:AN. Even at those noticeboards, though, you might have to wait a bit of time before someone responds. Finally, its best to just stick with one person using one account when making edit requests; multiple accounts making the same request won't speed things up, but could lead others to assume there's some sock puppetry or meat puppetry taking place, which would not be helpful in getting any proposed changes made. -- Marchjuly (talk) 03:06, 12 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Asking for consensus on information sent to me by Lumbee PR Manager

I just got off the phone with the Lumbee PR manager that has been editing the page on Wikipedia. The information I have recieved, such as a congressional bill from their representative, and The Lumbee Indians: An Annotate Bibliography. However, I have been given a deadline of tomorrow at 8:30 PM CST to get the changes approved. How do I get consensus? (Please note that I am in 11th grade, and am currently writing this 10 minutes after the call) DACartman (talk) 20:06, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DACartman That’s too much to ask you to do. It might even need to have an WP:RfC which could take weeks,Did they say what will happen if the deadline isn’t met? Doug Weller talk 20:19, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, not that I have heard of. DACartman (talk) 20:57, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can you be anymore specific about theor demands?, We can’t do anything that violates our policies and guidelines anyway. Doug Weller talk 21:15, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DACartman:I think you should take a close look at WP:RFC because what you've tried to do below seems too broad in scope and is unlikely going to resolve anything at all. In my opinion, it would probably better for you to advise the person asking for your help in this to just follow the guidance given in Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and use the article's talk page to make edit requests using the template {{COI edit}}. Advise them to make their edit requests as short and as easy-to-understand as possible and also to provide information about reliable sources that support the changes they want made as well as how the change is in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. It's better for keep their edit requests as simple as possible than to ask for a rewriting of the entire article or a large part of the article in a single request. All those editing requests are volunteers, and some of them might decide to skip over requests that are long and hard to sort out. You should also advise them that Wikipedia, in principle, has no deadlines; Wikipedia's article conent to be in accordance with its policies and guidelines for sure, but it's OK with Wikipedians taking time to try to accomplish this. So, whatever deadlines this person is setting out in the real world for themselves or others, those deadlines don't really apply to Wikipedia. Finally, you're free to talk to whomever you want on the phone, but you should keep WP:REALWORLD in mind and perhaps take a look at WP:YOUNG for some guidance because what you do and who you interact with out in the real world and how people respond to you out in the real world isn't something the Wikimedia Foundation is going to be able to help you with if start having real world problems. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:37, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DACartman: A fundamental Wiki principle is there is no deadline. Feel free to tell this to someone who tells you there is one. Additionally, PR managers should not be telling volunteers to do anything. They can only ask nicely. This kind of side channel directed editing is called wikiturfing, and it's not a pretty thing. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:39, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

People of the Dark Water

Where should this go? This is my source.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:49, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello, I have recieved information from the Lumbee tribe that may be helpful, however, the info was recently disputed by other editors, like the information relating to the Cherokee. I put a list of websites/sources I recieved below. Lumbee congress report Timeline of the Lumbee tribe Bill introduced by Richard Hudson to formally recognize the Lumbee tribe The Lumbee Indians: an annotated bibliography Please note that I am NOT affiliated with the Lumbee tribe in any way whatsoever, and I am trying to help them get consensus for this information.DACartman (talk) 21:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]